The process begins long before I even have a target. I learn as much as I can about how people in general think, both by testing, watching, and talking to them and studying psychology. I try to make connections between certain behaviors and certain traits, create a mental database of how different people I’ve met are and look for patterns etc.
Later, once I have a target, I use all I know about people so far to try and deduce as much as I can about them through observation. Then I start talking, using what I already know to ask questions that will give me more information that I can use in combination with what I currently know to make further conclusions, the whole time adjusting my mask to fit how I think I should best present myself to this particular person for my particular goal. Sometimes I’ll do certain very simple tests to see if they’re dominant or submissive, confident or insecure etc. Once my mask is perfected and I gain their trust I use them to whatever ends I have in mind. This part varies way too much on what my goals are for me to give much of a description, but I use what I know has worked in similar situations in the past and adjust my understanding of what works and what doesn’t for people like them based on how they respond to my manipulation.
Very little of the process is fixed, because everything depends on the person, objective, and situation.
Why are you choosing to talk about your methods? Doesn’t that make it more likely that someone you try to manipulate is going to see this and eventually not fall for your mask? Ergo, you don’t get what you want.
Yeah nobody has seen through the mask since I was like 12. Nobody will recognize my methods because the whole point of them is that they’re the same on the outside as your typical charismatic guy.
Even if someone he knows read this, he will have no problem manipulating that person into thinking he was never a target of manipulation witch in return will allow for continued manipulation.. get it.
Interesting. I’m pretty sure this is also what most of us do, we just aren’t as conscious of it. Also some of our goals include ‘build an emotional bond with this person’ because it’s a need for most NTs.
Like a woman liking a man for money?
For you, NTs are more, or less, susceptible to be psichcopth?
So you kind deceiving yourself and others to belive you are in power – just like silly pick up artist. And you made it a secret study or game…… hmmm what I reed is a very very lonely person, who try to fill up pain of loneliness with fake unsercure game. Grow up and try to be at whole and honest person who dares to be out of control and weak.Thats what make your life authentic and worth living …. good luck poor lonely soul <3
All warriors of thought have enemies, and all warriors must fight. The same goes to Psychopaths, as it does for your average person. The difference, is what battles are picked. For what ends. What consistency.
Maybe a silly question. But what’s your objective? To get laid? To manipulate? To mislead for entertainment?
Do you do this to get by? Do you think you win, because you’ve taken a manipulative position?
Do you have long term goals for a partner? Or are they all short term,based on how long it takes for the other person to figure things out?
I see these kinds of responses from time to time. And I do appreciate the honesty. I asked my ex, but never got an answer. Whats the goal?
Serious questions, from a genuinely curious person.
The objective is whatever I desire at a given moment, as well as any long term goals I have. It’s just another tool. Your question is like asking why I would use a phone or computer. It’s not that everything I do must be through the phone, but I use it when it’s useful. I don’t use manipulation as often as I used to. Honesty is just easier most of the time. But some things can only be obtained or achieved through other means. It doesn’t even harm the subject, usually; it rarely makes sense to put people in a position where they’re best off telling you to fuck off.
It’s funny; you make basic human interaction sound psychopathic. Everyone has selfish motives even if they don’t intentionally mean to as that is human nature.
Salut
How do you feel and react when you feel like your target has figured you out?
Figured what out?
That your target has figured out that you are manipulating and controlling them, because we do figure it out eventually.
They respect the person who does figure it out – they are worthy and typically very rare. Otherwise, the person usually figures it out (if they do) when the psychopath has long gone and moved on. But I have seen some people who never, ever figure it out and I wonder how. I’m not a psychopath, just the “worthy” person who figured it out before damage was done.
It takes a psychopath to beat the psychoanalysis of a psychopath, said the psychopath. Otherwise, they’re just empathetic. No?
The objective determines the nature that initiated the psychopathy to begin with.
Dexter, the fictional serial killer that targeted serial killers, is a good example of a psychopath that realizes they’re a psychopath… do you use your “talents” for the “good” of all, or for your own advancement, “evil.” Who defines what is good and evil in a society? Who holds the society accountable to the definition set, even when realizing the established society no longer fits its own definition of what it proclaims to be and must consume itself to improve itself?
This is where lines are drawn. Your core is either that of a narcissist, or an empath… one choosing themselves over others, or others over themselves.
These cores develop through life experience that is supposed to, in all functional accounts, balance the “scale of a rationalized normal;” the masses making up the function in society; of which, society has made perfectly clear they want neither narcissist or empath leading… the great paradox of a society itself.
Society eventually consumes itself by trying to eliminate what is viewed as the most destructive view of itself, and uses that view to justify the violence that starts the process all over again.
Yay, the psychopathy of world history.
Improvement is slow, and painful; and, when done properly, requires a lot of self reflection.
There are tons of psychopaths in the intel community trying to manipulate their countries way into the society of the world, by implanting falsehoods in order to gain control of the masses. When one is no longer enough, aim for the world.
Hmmm. Sounds familiar to what the US is experiencing now.
what if the person can tell, and secretly baits you in appearing as easy prey than takes everything from you?
Takes everything? How? Nobody has seen through since I was a child, and as cocky as it sounds I’d be amazed if someone could out manipulate me for stakes I care about. Plus I don’t risk anything, so even if they saw through they couldn’t gain anything from it.
Trust me, nobody who could see through it all would dare use themselves as bait.
*yawn*
That is very very true. I agree indeed.
a hunter of hunters. something much worse than a psychopath or narcissist. something that is new. a condition newly integrated into human DNA that is currently not im dsvm. For now you are apex. enjoy it find easy victims and do you your work.
Not sure what you mean by this? Do you really think you can outfox a psychopath!!! That takes team work their lack of emotion will always trump a normal person surely. Personally I would keep clear of charismatic. Be self sufficient and don’t help out people unless you know them really well and have witnesses. Stay clear of trying to rescue anyone in your own!!!
An academic in the humanities or social sciences is able to do this very well, fitting the observations into theories and presenting it as scholarship. Boom!
How is this manipulative? it’s a logical approach to living.
Because if everyone does it, you cannot have a functioning society, or families. Normal people consider what their actions do to others.
I am highly curious about your “database”. I would like to understand your “test” methods, the patterns you notice in potential targets, connections you have made between behaviors & traits, target choosing criteria so that I may avoid more of people like you, in the future.
If you are so inclined, please describe, in as much detail as possible (and it seems as though you are actively and persistently aware of and analyzing your process & therefore can provide a lot of detail), your responses to my questions.
Most Sincerely.
KDK
I really don’t know that this is sociopathy/psychopathy. This is a natural progression for people who have been through tough experiences and aren’t naturally outgoing. I was stalked and found that people nearly universally treat you badly if you have anxiety. Your story doesn’t matter, especially if it challenges their stereotypes.
I have a database of how people work. I target the prettiest woman. By hitching my dynamic to them, I avoid bullshit from insecure women because it takes me off their menu. I’m constantly aware of my body language because it matters more than my words. I support those in charge socially.
Everyone basically looks up to me unless I lose composure.
It’s not that I don’t have ethics. Often times in a social situation, I am the one to approach someone who clearly has anxiety to talk them up and make them comfortable. I’m the understanding ear that can listen to your challenging experience and make you feel human. And I’m aware of the large wake and almost robotic power I generate with people.
But here’s the thing. I don’t have any special connection to these people. It’s not making friends. I’m just making up for our shit people and shit culture.
I have one friend who really humanizes me, plus a couple trustworthy associates who mean well. And then a ton of people who look up to me but don’t really matter to me.
If this is sociopathy, then fine. If I don’t tinker with the machinery around me then I would be all alone and abandoned or worse. If you don’t want people treating you like emotional robots, then don’t be robots. I care about leaving the world a better place around me, but you can easily push it whatever direction you want.
Unfortunately I am physically far away. Also I am not professional, just empathetic person.
It is time to take full control of your life and to start respect other life as your own.
Dear Kristina, you are victim number 1. There is NO WAY YOU can defend yourself from this person.
You and him as a whole can produce successful enterprise, whatever you may do.
Potentially you are psychopath. I am sorry for what you lost in your past.
Have you ever ran into someone like yourself?
I do not believe in the terms sociopath/psychopath being aberrant behavior off a spectrum graph. I believe in a process of logic that is perfectly described above. The higher your IQ and EQ the better you will refine this process of receiving life’s data, filtering it, weaponizing it and redeploying it to your advantage and to the advantage of those you want to support or to the disadvantage of those you believe need to be minimized for your own benefit, those you value or for the benefit of society. If your going to stick a negative label on those that are at the high functioning end of the spectrum all humans and animals play on to make your lower status feel vindicated than you obviously view yourself in a vulnerable subordinate place on that spectrum. If your low enough on the spectrum you are not even aware this game of life is being played in absolutely every level of every decision you are making at every moment. This isn’t complicated.
Simple tests? Can you give some examples? 0.o
Jacob, about your mention “dominant or submissive”, do you think people are only one of these two types? What about the people that are always open for questions, trying always to get your point, and never follow selfish decisions, but the ones that match a main goal? Maybe their goals match yours,
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How often people do spot you, if ever?
Rare chance for non standardized questionnaire. It takes one to know one.
I think psychopaths could put their skills to good use especially nowadays. I mean use them to help others who are clueless about getting their needs met. You could be a great life coach in fact just take the destructive bit out. You could be surprised at how good you could feel about using those skills. When you help others you get lots of feel good hormones a natural high if you like.
Some 40 years ago, big companies in U.S.A. used serial killers to redefine their corporate structure. To make them more efficient. And they did it. They made them more economically efficient, Amazon or Microsoft as example. Though there are more “soft” designs such as Google.
Today we have corporate America, efficient deep state and other derivatives.
Well I did imply that psychopaths are good at getting what they want and could help others who find that hard. I do not think helping corporate organisations to be evil was what I had in mind!! Fascinating that they used serial killers I did not know that!! However I did suspect there was a link to this kind of inhuman culture. I mean what is the difference between a serial killer and global governments and many big business? Nothing as far as I can see. They all need locking up and some proper psychiatric care!!
Ok, you perfected your mental manipulation. On the other side there are people, like me, that see your mind. Occasionally I got distracted if someone like you emit genuine sexual attraction, which is hard. One have to learn that sort of manipulation and I have to be horny.
For me it is not very hard to recognize manipulation and differ sociopath and psychopath.
Personally If I can’t avoid those people (elevators, meetings, public transportation) it would be an unbearable torment for me. After while I start seeing pictures from their past life. So, I run far away from such people.
What happens when they don’t respond to you?
at a certain point if someone isn’t responsive you cut your losses and move on
Well the arsehole I’m dealing with doesn’t seem to be moving on.
Every human being does this. It’s an innate human behaviorism. It’s what we do with what we learn about other people that defines what kind of person we are. With disordered ones you have to add in the brain functionality variable.
I don’t claim that the way I think or act is unique. In general I try to convey that the differences are limited to only a few small things.
Fascinating and thank you for posting. Would you be interested in supplying more detail, such as describe the steps you took with an actual person/goal and the eventual outcome? If you shared your experience with two of your people, we could learn much from the compare/contrast. I’m curious about the simple tests you use to determine dominance and other traits. Thanks again. I wish you the best.
I met a psychopath and was told by many how he wasn’t straight up and disconnect any ties. I was lonely so I couldn’t until I had enough of the obvious continuous lying and him taking or asking for my things every time he came over. Finally having had enough I told him I was done. Him trying to stay in the relationship wouldn’t let it go until I said I was going to get the police involved. He said, so that’s how you want this and Thank God I haven’t heard or seen of him since. I guess I’d rather be lonely lol
Why do people insist in giving voice to psychopaths? You only inflate even more their already inflated ego. Enough, already! Fooling other people is not something worth learning.
I agree with you. Somewhere in past psychopaths had their socially preferable role. But not today. All of us, above or bellow average are not acceptable for modern society. Any ungovernable person.
And psychopaths as well as sociopaths are uncontrollable. They do not tend to obey.
For example: if you are pretty you have to do porn (you are not whore but actor or actress) or if you are smart you have to work for defense (you are not killer but engineer). You must be controllable, labeled and socially accepted.
probably because they are unfairly labeled as dangerous. Most people with ASPD are not violent, they just don’t feel empathy as others do.
It’s subconscious. Does a tiger rationally know how it hunts so effectively, or is it instinctual? You could argue both but a predatory instinct is innate, the previous comment seems pretty on point but anybody with intelligence can do it. Which to me is the ultimate distinction, one is conscious while the other happens instinctually.
The difference between you and I is that I do this automatically without planning it out. And I generally respect my targets if they make things easier for me, or if they do a better job than I had hoped I may even reward them.
very interesting give an example how you once manipulated someone?
I am here to FUCKING COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR BIO
I wonder how the other person feels in this. Kinda empty.
You’re so aware of what you’re doing, why don’t you just stop!?
I Hope you’re seeing a psychiatrist!
I’ve gotta be real with you… if used for the good psychopaths tend to be the ones that make tho most impact on life and are usually the ones that change the world most.
Yeah you can still be a good person that just doesn’t have strong emotions toward people. I have morals, and try not to manipulate or anything, but I could also watch a guy jump from a building blood going everywhere and it not significantly effect my day.