What is the most surprising and out of nowhere piece of scientific technology that we thought was impossible?

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Penicillin

Starting in the late 19th century there had been reports of the antibacterial properties of Penicillium mould, but scientists were unable to discern what process was causing the effect. Scottish physician Alexander Fleming at St Mary’s Hospital in London (now part of Imperial College) was the first to show that Penicillium rubens had antibacterial properties. On 3 September 1928 he observed that fungal contamination of a bacterial culture (Staphylococcus aureus) appeared to kill the bacteria. He confirmed this observation with a new experiment on 28 September 1928. He published his experiment in 1929, and called the antibacterial substance (the fungal extract) penicillin.

C. J. La Touche identified the fungus as Penicillium rubrum (later reclassified by Charles Thom as P. notatum

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Arguably, this:

This is the laser in a Blu-Ray player. A Blu-Ray laser is a blue solid-state strained quantum well laser diode that exploits some very weird physics to work.

About three or four times a week, some question floats through my Quora feed along the lines of “is quantum physics real or is it just made up?” Quantum physics is real, weird-ass freaky quantum mechanical rules are real, and everyday devices like NAND Flash SSDs and Blu-Ray lasers use that freakiness to work.

Quantum well devices are devices that trap electrons into a space about the size of the electron’s wavelength. The electron falls into the well, giving up its energy as a photon as it does. Remember Heisenberg? You can’t know an electron’s absolute position and momentum simultaneously because an electron doesn’t have defined absolute position and momentum simultaneously? Very briefly and handwaving over the mathematical details, when an electron is confined to a quantum well, its momentum becomes indeterminate and it tunnels back out, making space for another electron.

If Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle weren’t true, or if electrons were hard little round balls like tiny marbles with no wavelength, a Blu-Ray laser wouldn’t work.

Me personally, I’ve always wanted to meet the guy who read a paper about the theoretical nature of quantum wells and said “Guys! Hey, you guys! I can make a laser out of that!”

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Nice description.

Even as a physics student back in my first quantum theory course, I would look at some predicted result and think, “Well that should be a deal breaker for the theory.” You know, things like quantum tunneling or non-zero ground state energies in square wells, etc. And why would Pauli exclusion apply to free electrons in metals? Except that it explains things that can’t be explained any other way.

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You deserve extra points for that answer. That was awesome to read. Thanks.

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Amazing, and thanks for the answer! However, the last toddler I tried to explain that to (with a lot of handwaving, I mean really a lot) just gave me a very measured look at the end and very carefully said:

“So, it’s magic.”

Somehow she wasn’t very wrong!🙈😄

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Quantum physics are so weird they are indeed magic.

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Naw. It’s sensible and at it’s heart easy to understand if one can conceptualize randomness.

Sometime, one must simply accept the facts in evidence. Magic, no. Part of reality, yup!

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“Young man, in mathematics you don’t understand things. You just get used to them.”

-John von Neumann

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Thanks for that! It was the quote I was searching for 😁! I wanted to provide the citation link, but Google failed me. You’re my new Google!

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I came across that quote many years too late to help me. My first college major was physics. I dropped out senior year because I couldn’t understand it. My grasp stopped with Newton. Maybe if…

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I think physics is fascinating but my reading has been STRICTLY lay-person, “math doofus” level, because when an equation has more variables and weird symbols than actual numbers, my brain just fucking gives up and crosses my eyes — but I’ve never been able to get much past Newtonian ideas either. I understand the Heisenberg Uncertainty, it’s just like that koan about never stepping into the same river twice — if something is moving, you can’t know PRECISELY where it is, but if you do know precisely where it is, then you can’t know it’s speed. And even Schroedinger’s Cat makes sense to me — reality seems to be quite subjective, on the quantum scale. But anything beyond that stuff?

Purple, because aliens don’t wear hats.

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M. A. SteinbergerI could have written that, although not so well… I just need to be able to understand things on the physical level.

I know where of you speak. I searched and found this book in the college library that helped me cross the boundary of Physics and my poor brain’s understanding of the world: Amazon.com: The Nature of Physical Reality: A Philosophy of Modern Physics (9780918024039): Margenau, Henry: Books

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I will check it out.

Of course the possibility remains that I am simply not that bright.

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I was lucky I guess. I had a great education at Annapolis and Case Western Reserve University. I didn’t gain entry to MIT, but in the long run, it’s okay with me!

Cheers—

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M. A. SteinbergerI was actually lucky too. Physics was my father’s idea, not mine. My disaster with physics got me off my butt to get gigs. Been making my living as a cellist for over 40 years. Which is what I always really wanted to do.

Yep! It’s extremely difficult for the human mind to conceptualise quantum mechanics – it’s the mathematics that explains it. But you need to be a good mathematician. I think Feynman said to a group of students “If you think you understand QM, you don’t”

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“Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic”

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Yes.

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She’s right: physics is magic.

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That you still have to apply an equation to

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Every time I see mathematicians and physicists writing out their equations, I’m reminded anew that the ancients weren’t wrong: You can define the universe in a language of symbols and do the seemingly impossible with the right knowledge and application.

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I wish they wore Wizard hats to classes! XD

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You mean a spell.

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I guess if Penn & Teller will be using quantum tech to do their magic their performance would be at a whole another level 😀

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Yes and no.

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yes and no?!? Ah… a quantum thingy can be at both states at the same time. Smart ass 😀

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No need to embellish with an slur. Most people have no training in quantum physics. To them, because they don’t have the training to work the equations. I’m fortunate enough to do so and I suppose you are as well. You see, it is WEIRD to some and rational to others. Rational folks long thought the earth is flat. Nobody rational believes that today.

I hope you understand my point: please respect ones thoughts, right, wrong or indifferent. It takes a lot of work to grasp concepts at times. Heck, in 8th grade, I couldn’t conceptualize Einstine. A few years later, it seemed child’s play.

Don’t judge, please!

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I am not sure if you reply to my post but I thought he made fun, so I just played along with that. I have deep respect for scientists and I find quantum world odd and fascinating even though I don’t understand much of it. Sorry 🙂

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He was kidding, ease up !

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Penn and Teller are now history, especially Teller.

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Just imagine the kinds of magic we’ll have 100 years from now! Hard to imagine…

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Are DazzleJust imagine the physics we had over a 100 years in the past that never made it to the public’s collective consciousness… check out Dale Pond’s books “Keely’s Laws of Being” or “Universal Laws Never Before Revealed: Keely’s Secrets Understanding the Science of Sympathetic Vibration” for a different model of the atom and how it functions!

you gotta work up to quantum mechanics with toddlers. I’m just on Newtonian mechanics with my son (2.5 yrs). And he is beginning to grasp net force = 0 for objects with a constant “movement”(aka velocity).

Too much hand waving and there isn’t enough of an explanation to logically stand up, and it turns into “magic”

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Remember Clarke’s Third Law:

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magoc.”

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Robin AdamsAnd Kurt Vonnegut: “Science is magic that works”

Newtonian physics is already magic. The Bicycle Wheel Gyroscope

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Next, read The Dancing Wu Li Masters to her.
Might be out of date, but I enjoyed it…

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Just because you can slap a label like “quantum mechanics” on something, doesn’t make it any less magic.

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As Arthur C Clark said “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”

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Other sayings from the SF grandmaster:

It’s Clarke with an e!

A nifty phrase repeated in a single page instantly becomes trite.

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Reality had better comply with how we insist it works.

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Reminds me of the description of a computer: that it is a rock we tricked into thinking.

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“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

Arthur C. Clark

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Einstein, Heisenberg, Pascal and Newton are playing hide and seek. Einstein covers his eyes and begins counting. Heisenberg and Pascal run off and hide. Newton stands in front of the counting Einstein and takes out some chalk and marks a square on the ground with a side length of exactly one meter.

When Einstein is finished counting and sees Newton standing in his box, he yells, “Ha, I’ve found you, Newton!”.

However, Newton replies, “No! You’ve found Pascal!

No one found Heisenberg. His location was uncertain. Schrödinger’s cat wandered by and said he thought he might be hiding in a box, but he didn’t know if he was dead or alive.

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One of the most interesting things I ever read was a series of articles about the development of LED’s in the early 1960’s. I started out with looking up LED on Wikipedia and fell into a hole for more than an hour reading the source material and all.

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As an electronics engineer by qualification, I really want to add a clever pun here on holes and electrons. But I was so hopeless at applications I’ve been teaching math for the past 15 years!

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I know what I’m doing tomorrow!

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Going to Norm’s house and punching him?

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Norm CoxAll I did was make a suggestion. Leave my body unmarked.

I was a student apprentice at STC Paignton Devon England in 1973 when they were trying to make red LEDs. They would make batches of 10,000 and the engineers would be ecstatic if a few actually lit up. How things have progressed!

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I’ve met a few guys who were like that. All of them Jewish FSU refugees who found work in obscure companies contracting with the DoD in the U.S.

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FSU? Florida State University?

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Jerald Coleformer Soviet Union

Sadly, the inventor of the quantum well died in 2016.

Charles H. Henry was a physicist at Bell Labs, working on heterojunction semiconductor lasers when he realized that the junction would confine electrons, and by the rules of quantum mechanics, that would cause the electrons to assume discrete states.

Charles H. Henry – Wikipedia

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That pretty much describes and defines a theory, in scientific terms. Theories have predictive qualities — if they have substance, they can describe something observable, which may not have been observed previously. Black Holes are a good example — predicted in the 18th century, supported by theoretical work through the 20th century, but not directly observed until 2017 Black hole – Wikipedia.

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Do discrete states not make public their electoral votes?

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Yes, but not in obstreperous ways.

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For a moment, I read “pubic hair” instead of “public there”. How did you do that?

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Hey, don’t blame me for your prurient fixation on landscaping.

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I thought you did it on purpose using some physics trick or having words say two different things at once.

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Because of course it was at Bell Labs.

I’m beginning to wonder if we have indeed been visited by aliens and they set up shop under the guise of a lab to hide the advances they were making to our technology.

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Thanks. Nice, and sad, to learn.

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Technically, you don’t even need to go as far as quantum confinement. Any band gap in a semiconductor utilizes quantum mechanic principles like discrete energy states (literally the definition of quantized). So all modern electrical devices rely on quantum physics.

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So this one time, at Band Gap… 🙂

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There is so much beauty in your answer, Franklin. Time for me to try and channel you, as I attempt to explain Blu-ray tech to my 10yo daughter.

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Making a laser using a quantum well is not that hard, once you have the technology to make good quantum wells. Making a blue laser which has a lifetime long enough to be used in commercial devices is much harder. Blue light photons have about twice the energy of red light photons. A consequence of this is that blue light is much more effective for causing atomic migration than red light is. It does not take much atomic migration to ruin your quantum well, so making blue lasers with decent lifetimes was really difficult. The people who developed the first practical blue laser were awarded a Nobel Prize: The Nobel Prize in Physics 2014.

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You seem very certain about Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle.

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That’s so freaking cool.

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This answer makes me very sad, because while I can parrot it somewhat, my mind just sort of becomes jelly when trying to understand it.

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I feel for you as I am in the same state.

About 20–25 years ago, I could not only understand this, but give you the mathematics, calculate it to the precise details, write a paper and explain to someone (I actually did a paper on quantum mechanics in my UG).

But now, after 20 years in the corporate world, I get the general idea, but my understanding has degraded to “that’s amazing, it works” level.

It makes me feel really sad.

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Learning begins by parroting over and over. Then, one day, you will understand what you’ve been saying.

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That concept has two sides. Cults and con-men operate like that too (See: Democrats on Trump). So, sometimes you might just become convinced of something, far different from truly understanding it.

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Another thing I might add, tunnelling only seems weird from a Classical perspective, i.e. it’s a uniquely quantum phenomenon. The word “tunneling,” I think, is unfortunate because is makes it seem like the electron is tunneling through some seemingly impenetrable barrier; it’s not! What they are talking about is potential energy barriers. It’s explained nicely in this open textbook article I found: University Physics Volume 3

Tunneling and Potential Energy

To illustrate quantum tunneling, consider a ball rolling along a surface with a kinetic energy of 100 J. As the ball rolls, it encounters a hill. The potential energy of the ball placed atop the hill is 10 J. Therefore, the ball (with 100 J of kinetic energy) easily rolls over the hill and continues on. In classical mechanics, the probability that the ball passes over the hill is exactly 1—it makes it over every time. If, however, the height of the hill is increased—a ball placed atop the hill has a potential energy of 200 J—the ball proceeds only part of the way up the hill, stops, and returns in the direction it came. The total energy of the ball is converted entirely into potential energy before it can reach the top of the hill. We do not expect, even after repeated attempts, for the 100-J ball to ever be found beyond the hill. Therefore, the probability that the ball passes over the hill is exactly 0, and probability it is turned back or “reflected” by the hill is exactly 1. The ball never makes it over the hill. The existence of the ball beyond the hill is an impossibility or “energetically forbidden.”

However, according to quantum mechanics, the ball has a wave function and this function is defined over all space. The wave function may be highly localized, but there is always a chance that as the ball encounters the hill, the ball will suddenly be found beyond it. Indeed, this probability is appreciable if the “wave packet” of the ball is wider than the barrier.

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Again, I’m not trying to be overly critical, I’m simply trying to clear up misinformation. You are popular here on Quora, but this misinformation is causing goddamn problems, man! Global warming ring a bell!?! I upvoted your answer but not because of the physics!

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This is where the misinformation comes in, see.

“If Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle weren’t true, or if electrons were hard little round balls like tiny marbles with no wavelength, a Blu-Ray laser wouldn’t work.”

Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle and electrons having wavelength is not inconsistent with electrons having a well-defined state during all stages of the system evolution, but the Copenhagen folks insist that it is and that there is no alternative explanation. This leads straightaway to Einstein’s “spooky action at a distance.” This was the very same problem with Newton’s mechanics – gravity acted spontaneously and from a distance with no mechanism to explain it. Here’s what Newton himself had to say about it. From Banesh Hoffmann’s Relativity and Its Roots, pages 38 and 39:

Newton’s theory applied equally to all bodies . . . It was stupendous.

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But there were problems. One was that, much as he tried, Newton could offer no plausible mechanism that would account for the inverse-square law of gravitation. The gravitational force seemed to act instantaneously at a distance. Newton himself said:

“That gravity should be innate, inherent and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall for it.”

Newton himself knew that this “spooky action at a distance” to use Einstein’s exact words, was untenable, and that, therefore, his theory was incomplete, i.e. did not provide a thorough explanation. In the Copenhagen Interpretation of QM, “particles” exist as probability waves with no distinct state properties prior to a still mysterious measurement process which collapses said “particles” to a distinct state. If you entangle two particles and then separate them by any amount of distance, then when you “measure” one, i.e. collapse it to a definite state, the other instantaneously collapses as well. This is what Einstein called spooky action at a distance, in direct reference to the same in Newton’s theory. This indicates to any “competent faculty of thinking” not subject to absurdities that QM is incomplete.

Not only is there an alternative explanation, it is much more elegant, it has considerably greater explanatory force, AND it has empirical support in the form of electron channelling experiments conducted in France. The paper, an FQXi essay by David Hestenes, is here: https://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Hestenes_Electron_time_essa.pdf?phpMyAdmin=0c371ccdae9b5ff3071bae814fb4f9e9

“You can’t know an electron’s absolute position and momentum simultaneously because an electron doesn’t have defined absolute position and momentum simultaneously?”

This is not true, brother! First off, the idea of absolute anything went bye-bye with Einstein’s Relativity. Second off, what QM says is that you cannot MEASURE position and momentum with arbitrary accuracy both at the same time; this does not mean the electron does not have well-defined position and well-defined momentum at the same time. David Hestenes can freaking derive Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle! I wrote about this in an answer of mine, which I’ll quote straight from:

This is from Quantum Mechanics from Self-Interaction, by David Hestenes, section 5, page 8:

[A]lthough the pilot wave does not appear in the conventional Dirac theory, we shall see that it is not only consistent with the Dirac theory but provides us with a physical mechanism for explaining some of the most mysterious features of quantum mechanics. The explanatory power of the pilot wave concept is largely due to the fact that the pilot wave and the Dirac wave function have a critical property in common. At every spacetime point the phase of an electron’s pilot wave has the same value as the phase of the Dirac wave function for the electron, subject to suitable initial conditions. This supplies a physical basis for the smooth phase function that the wave function associates with an electron. It tells us that some wave properties of the physical pilot wave are represented by wave properties of the statistical wave function.

It is really this statistical wave function which provides the mathematical impetus for conflating these two notions of superposition, but quantum states do not superpose! And the qubit people seem to have a serious allergy to “physical mechanisms!”

In that same damn paper, Hestenes explains a number of features of quantum mechanics and his explanation, consistent with the empirical data, is not consistent with the qubit “interpretation.” Hestenes covers this in Section 6, page 9, titled Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics; I’ll reproduce a small bit here. In what follows, zbw stands for zitterbewegung (German for “trembling motion”), an oscillation which plays a central role; this has been experimentally supported by electron channeling experiments, as discussed in Electron Time, Mass, and Zitter; these channeling experiments are very closely related to the diffraction explanation reproduced below and they both depend on resonance. I highly recommend reading my Quora answer linked to above and all of the links therein, both those of William Tiller and David Hestenes:

6.1. Spin-Uncertainty Relations

If we wish to localize a free electron, the zbw implies that the best we can do is confine it to a circular orbit of radius r=/mcr=ℏ/mc with a fixed center. Therefore, the xx-coordinate of the electron in the orbital plane will fluctuate with a range Δx=/mc∆x=ℏ/mc. At the same time, since the electron travels at the same time, and since the electron travels at the speed of light with a zeropoint kinetic energy mc2/2mc2/2, the xx-component of its momentum fluctuates with a range Δpx=mc/2∆px=mc/2. Thus, we obtain the minimum uncertainty relation ΔxΔpx=/2∆x∆px=ℏ/2 We now see the uncertainty relations as consequences of a zero-point motion with a fixed zero-point angular momentum, the spin of the electron. This explains why the limiting constant /2ℏ/2 in the uncertainty relations is exactly equal to the magnitude of the electron spin.

6.2. Diffraction

Any coherent interpretation of quantum theory must give a satisfactory account of electron diffraction. Two major alternative have been proposed in the past: the conventional dualistic interpretation and the particle interpretation espoused by the late Alfred Land´e.(11) The conventional account is based on the premise that diffraction can only be understood as the result of wave interference. Accordingly, it is supposed that the electron must be regarded as a wave when undergoing diffraction. On the other hand, electrons are detected only as particles in a diffraction pattern. It is claimed that this forces one into the dualistic view that the electron is neither wave not particle, but manifests itself as one or the other depending on circumstances. As de Broglie(12) has emphasized, a serious difficulty with the dualistic account of diffraction is that it uses the wave concept in two different senses. The wave undergoing diffraction belongs to a single electron, but the wave manifested in the observed diffraction pattern is clearly a property of the ensemble of electrons in the pattern.

Land´e contends that diffraction can be explained as quantized momentum exchange without regarding the electron as a wave. His view is consistent with the fact that, in modern many-body theory, diffraction patterns can be calculated from symmetry properties of a crystal without using the idea of interference. The discrete spectrum of vibrational states in a crystal is determined by symmetry properties of the crystal wave function, and the Bragg diffraction formula is determined by the allowed transitions between those states. Thus, the crystal acting as a unit can exchange only quantized amounts of momentum with an electron or any other particle or wave it might scatter. A difficulty with Land´e’s account is that it does not explain how a localized electron can induce an extended crystal to act as a unit.

The zbw provides us with a new way to explain electron diffraction which accounts for both wave and particle aspects of the phenomena. An electron incident on a crystal is surrounded by its pilot wave which begins to drive charges in the crystal even before the electron arrives. The driven charges in the crystal act back on the electron, and momentum transfer will be greatest at resonances corresponding to transitions to allowed excitations of the crystal. Thus, the pilot wave provides the mechanism for momentum transfer by a particle which is missing from Land´e’s explanation. To establish this explanation as completely viable, it will be necessary to derive the Bragg laws and diffraction intensity patterns by direct application of the pilot wave mechanism rather than indirectly from the wave equation.

It is of interest to note that de Broglie has argued at length that a satisfactory interpretation of quantum theory cannot be achieved without postulating the existence of physical “pilot waves” which are distinct from quantum mechanical wave functions.(12) Our pilot wave differs from his in being specifically electromagnetic and related to the electron spin. Also de Broglie explained electron diffraction as due to interference of the pilot wave which, in turn, “guides” the electron to the diffraction pattern. In our explanation the electron plays a more active role, and it might be better to say that, instead of being guided, the electron carries the pilot wave with it, although the pilot wave arrives first to announce the coming electron.

6.3. Universality of Wave-Particle Duality

Diffraction of material particles is a universal phenomenon. The conventional explanation for this fact is that each material particle possesses a wave property which is completely independent of its interactions. In contrast, our pilot wave explanation for electron diffraction is manifestly electromagnetic. A similar explanation for the diffraction of neutrons, atoms, and molecules obtains only if every material system is the seat of an electromagnetic pilot wave with de Broglie frequency and wavelength determined by its mass. We shall see that this is to be expected for atomic systems composed of electrons. We take it as a clue to the structure of elementary particles like the neutron to be discussed later.

6.4. Stationary Quantized States

The conventional interpretation of the quantum theory does not explain the existence of stationary quantized atomic states beyond the fact that they correspond to stationary solutions of the Dirac equation. The zbw interpretation enables us to do better, as it should if it is correct. It will suffice for us to discuss stationary states of the hydrogen atom with the nucleus regarded as a point charge.

The stationary states of the hydrogen atom correspond to eigenstates of the energy operator. Hence, the zbw of a bound electron has a definite frequence ω=E/ω=E/ℏ: the stationary wave functions are single-valued in space, so the phase of the wave function is single-valued as well. Since the phase of the wave function corresponds to the phase of the electron zbw, it follows that in a stationary atomic state the orbital period is an integral multiple of the electron zbw period, that is, there is a coherence between the zbw and the orbital motion. This is represented schematically in Fig. 1, showing zbw oscillations of the “true” electron orbits (dotted lines) about circular orbits of the zbw center for the first three allowed states. The figure looks just like a representation of de Broglie standing waves in Bohr orbits for the good reason that it conforms to de Broglie’s original idea that the stationary orbits are determined by an intrinsic periodicity in the electron motion. Of course, the representation of the periodicity is different here. The waves in Fig. 1 are to be interpreted literally as orbits, and the zbw amplitude of oscillation has a definite value on the order of an electron Compton wavelength.

The association of the single-valuedness of stationary state wave functions with the coherence of orbital and zbw motions allows us to explain the former in terms of the latter. At the same time we wish to explain why stationary atomic states do not radiate. The conventional quantum mechanical treatment of the hydrogen atom arbitrarily takes the electron as a test charge, ignoring its field altogether, so it cannot radiate. This was always regarded by Schroedinger as a major failing of quantum mechanics.(13) It is true that QED includes the electron field in perturbative corrections, but that does not account for the stability of the unperturbed state.

From the beginning of his research on quantum wave equations, Schroedinger sought to explain the existence of quantized radiationless states as the result of some kind of resonance. The zbw gives us a mechanism for doing that. The electromagnetic field of an electron orbiting a nucleus can be separated into two periodic components, the pilot wave due to its zbw, and the average field due to its orbital motion. We can guess that the resultant field will be radiationless when these fields are resonant, and we know that this corresponds to the condition for stationary states, but a proof that such a field will be radiationless cannot be supplied until the self-interaction problem has been solved. At least we have a qualitative explanation for the existence of radiationless states. This explanation also implies that the oscillation of a bound electron produces an oscillating electromagnetic field which surrounds the atom and has a frequency determined by the energy of the bound state. This field is the pilot wave of the atom. The long-range tail of this fluctuating field has been identified with the Van der Waals force.

6.5. The Pauli Principle

In calculating the energy of a many-electron atom the electrostatic and magnetic interactions between electrons are taken into account. But according to our theory these are not the only interactions, for the zbw of each electron produces an oscillating field as well. The effect of such fields would certainly be to introduce correlations in the positions and spins of the electrons, and the allowed combinations of electron orbits would be restricted to those which produce stable radiationless states. This, in turn, would be reflected in symmetry properties of the many-electron wave function such as those required by the Pauli principle. Thus, we have a physical mechanism for explaining the Pauli principle: The Pauli principle describes symmetry properties of a many-electron configuration which result from stable resonances of their pilot waves. The symmetries are spin dependent, because the pilot waves are spin dependent. The Pauli principle works only for like particles, because only like particles have the identical frequencies needed to produce a resonance. The so-called exchange force that results from the Pauli principle can thus be understood as physically real force due to oscillations of the pilot waves. Its origin is therefore basically the same as that of the Van der Waals force.

6.6. The Lamb Shift and Spontaneous Emission

Many physicists follow Welton(15) in attributing the Lamb shift to fluctuations of the electromagnetic vacuum field. Welton argues that the effect of the fluctuations is to smear out the point electron over a region about the size of a Compton wavelength. This produces a shift in potential energy depending on the average of the potential over the region.

The zbw gives us a different interpretation of the Lamb shift. The potential energy assigned to the electron by the Dirac theory is the value at the zbw center. This differs from the correct potential at the position of the electron by an amount which oscillates over a Compton wavelength, as indicated in Fig. 1. Thus we attribute the “smearing out” of the electron over a Compton wavelength to the systematic zbw oscillations rather than random fluctuations of the vacuum field. Of course, we are speaking here of the main contribution to the Lamb shift. In addition, a small contribution should come from a shift in the zbw amplitude, which we have already mentioned as a source of the anomalous magnetic moment. Of course, we may also expect contributions from many particle effects such as vacuum polarization.

You see, I’m not knocking you, you simply don’t have a very deep understanding of physics and certain unscrupulous people take advantage of that: they write misinformation for general consumption and reasonably intelligent folks regurgitate it thinking that it is legitimate. But it isn’t!

I know you won’t do it, but you should take a moment to read my pinned answer and all of the answers therein. I explain a lot of the math in easy to understand terms. The quantum realm seems weird largely because we’re not even close to understanding it yet.

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I wonder how closely related this is to true blue LEDs, which took physicists a long time to invent!

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I’m not sure, but I know that the inventor (or maybe one of the inventors, not sure), works in my GF’s material science department.

I don’t think she’s interacted with the person much though, as she mostly works on batteries

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That makes sense as people who work on batteries are often incommunicado while they are recharging.

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Of the LED or the laser?

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Andrew AlexanderLED

That’s not really surprising though. Think about the car if it’s moving you can’t determine it’s exact location but you can tell it’s speed. On the other hand when you can pin down it’s exact location then you can’t see it’s speed at that moment. This is not magic, it’s logic.

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Kinda and it sort of works for an analogy. But if I were sitting in said moving car with my bike riding app open and stsrted recording and immediately stopped it i would have a location and a speed at that location.

You can do yhe same thing by putting a GPS tracker on the car.

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Only if you are willing to accept that when you measure the speed of the car it does not have a defined position and vice versa, This is not an inability of our devices to measure, but rather a property of nature itself.

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I don’t see how is it different in the case of a car. If you know the speed then by definition you cannot know the position. The speed is defined by multiple positions over time.

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By that definition the speed at any defined position is zero. While I can see the analogy, a car is does not adhere to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle the way a quantum object does.

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Zero or unknown?

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Neither. The speed can be calculated as a limit, being a derivative of the function of the moving car. Even with an infinitesimal small distance the calculation results in the same thing, getting more accurate as you take smaller distances. It never becomes undefined. The car is a real object that takes up space and has a center of mass, a precise point.

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I’d like you to expand a bit on this to include a discussion on the MASER, a directed energy technology similar to Laser tech, with the “M” standing for “microwave”. This was described in an issue of Scientific American back in the ‘50s or ‘60s. I’m thinking it may be the crypto weapon injuring our diplomats. In fact, I’ll post it as a question to which I hope you will respond. What do you think?

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In 1971 I spent my high school junior sumner break in Orlando at a national science foundation sponsored program studying quantum physics, calculus and computer programming at Florida Technological University (now known as UCF).

One of my suite mates was Ray G. from Chicago. He was obsessed with developing a laser using a ruby rod and mirror polished oval tube with a flash tube generator.

The ruby rod and flash generator were to be positioned at the twin focal points in the oval tube. The theory was the flash, originating at one focal point would appear at the other focal point, occupied by the ruby rod. Hopefully sufficient quantities of light would penetrate the ruby and be “trapped” until sufficiently focused to exit the “open” end as a laser beam.

He only had 60 days or so and never got past the mirrored oval tube and flash tube. His goal was to create a “Ray” gun using DC.

Maybe blue Ray was his baby? I know he (we all) got kicks from developing holograms with the lasers at FTU. The University was gorgeous. Modern architectural marvels. I went back there but could not find the original buildings from my car. I have to go back on foot.

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I have a fun story about this. Back in the 1980’s, solid state lasers were limited to the red light band. Getting to shorter wavelengths was a big unsolved problem being worked on by a lot of researchers. The uses for industrial applications was becoming clear by then as laser disc technology would be immensely improved by using shorter wavelength lasers. But at the time, it wasn’t clear that it was even technically feasible to make such lasers.

One day I attended a conference where a highly respected scientist in the field (sorry, I can’t recall his name) was going to do a presentation. The title was quite dry, something along the lines of “Current status of research towards realization of shorter wavelengths in solid state lasers.” Everyone assumed from the title that this was going to be a talk about possible approaches to solving the problem and nothing more.

As the speaker put up his title slide, he pulled a laser pointer out of his pocket and turned it on. But instead of the standard thin red beam of light, a blindingly bright green beam shoots onto the screen.

BAM!

Everyone gasped in amazement. Then they either laughed or applauded. I’m sure competing researchers in the audience were thinking very profane thoughts.

Yeah, quite a presentation.

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I remember a Scientific American cover article on masers and lasers, back at the beginning, in the late ‘50s. I recall the optical device had an accidental origin.

Expand?

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Me personally, I’ve always wanted to meet the guy who read a paper about the theoretical nature of quantum wells and said “Guys! Hey, you guys! I can make a laser out of that!”

And he’s got a Nobel prize for that. Unfortunately, he died two years ago. I’ve met him in passing, and he was a really nice guy.

Zhores Alferov – Wikipedia

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Yes. I’ve read about the connection between quantum physics and things like this. I still don’t understand the technicalities of how it works, but I believe it happens and that quantum physics is involved.

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I also think the word “Quantum well” is unfortunate!

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There’s a few other thing I find quite impressive with optical disc readers.

First thing is how they handle the fact that the flexible mass produced plastic disc might not be 100% flat. Especially not the three year old kids favorite bed time story disc. As a matter of fact just a half wavelength, a few 100 nanometers difference, will cause a reading error.

The solution is of course more lasers. Each reader has two extra lasers, before and after, that keep track of the distance to the disc and continuously keep the reader laser in the right position.

The second one is how they handle scratches. Because the need of nanometer precision scratches on the disc could really ruin your day (and I bet it has done as for a few of you).

The solution is to not have the reader laser optics exactly focused on the disc surface, but instead let it hit the protection layer a bit blurred. The blurred laser light will hit a bigger area on the disc and make it less sensitive to scratches. The protection layer will then bend the light (since it changes medium) and focus it on the layer containing the data.

Including the quantum well laser it really is an amazing piece of engineering. And still I love the fact that I barely have to use it any more!

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I usually upvote your answers. But, I have seen (quite) a few posts about “electron being a ball” or “electron being a probability” or stuff like that. So, the answer appears to digress. Electron is a particle (and not just a swill of probabilities). The probability is essentially due to what you mentioned – Heisenberg uncertainty.

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I don’t understand why it both loses energy to a photon and also tunnels back out. Why wouldn’t it just tunnel back out without giving off a photon?

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And the science deniers will still to deny science, and give “credit” to God and gods! Quantum Physics is real, demonstrated and more importantly USED every day! GPS wouldn’t even work.

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People who think that Quantum Physics is made up are probably those who are too much into Ant Man.

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I would love to have seen the faces of our hero’s colleagues upon hearing that last remark…

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I’ll just stick with unicorns.

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Ach, ma bonnie lass, ye couldnae do better ! D’ye ken how I naw?

BBWWahahahaha! 🙂

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Quantum dot displays are also used in expensive Samsung TVs, and the humble ‘Amazon Kindle Fire HDX’.

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That was fascinating, Franklin.

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so basically quantum well is creating binary system with laser? Wow that is some advanced principle for blueray… Is there some other state in quantum wells?

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Very interesting. Thank you for the information.

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I’m picturing the electron as a hyperactive kid with claustrophobia. He falls into the well just barely big enough for him, panics, yells “I can’t be here!”, his x-men mutant powers activate, and *bamf*.

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So the difference betweeen a “normal” laser and blue ray is the size? Reading smaller information?

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Answers like this one are why I come to Quora. Thank you!

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Genius beyond my lowly 130+.

Yeah, humblebrag. But my brain doesn’t do physic or calculus. Nor grammar. Nor – -. So, yeah, humble over brag.

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So by trapping the electron, we know the position and momentum both?

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No. By trapping the electron its position is very tightly constrained. Because of Heisenberg, then, it’s momentum/energy is highly indeterminate. This means there is a relatively high probability that at some point the electron will have more energy than it “should” and “jump out” of the well. This is known as quantum tunneling.

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Ahaaaa, thanks! Now I kind of get it I think…. maybe.

Because an electron’s position (not sure that’s the right word) and energy are probabilities, if you constrain the position to be almost deterministic then the energy gets all weird and tries to compensate. Or do I really not get it? Is there a relatively low probability of the electron having less energy than it should?

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You’ve got the general idea. The constrained electron’s energy is unknowable (and in fact does not exist as a specific quantity) until and if it escapes the well and no longer has a well (no pun intended) defined position. It can only escape with high energy. Until that time we can only define the electron’s energy as a probability and there is a probability figure for any energy you’d care to mention.

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Jeremy FoxThanks. This stuff is just too interesting!

Interesting description, but how does that quantum well behavior make a Blu-ray player work?

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Great example. It’s generally true of diode lasers, not just this type.

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This is the reason why Quora is so cool, from time to time. Thank you for that answer.

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How do you know pretty much everything about everything?

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He’s fucking amazing, that’s how!

And I suspect he loves to read and learn.

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What blows my mind is that in my lifetime and while I was in college in the 60s, The laser, LED and DNA were all discovered. None of these existed in my high school biology or physics in the early 60s. I attended a seminar by Fred Hoyle in the 1950s with my dad at the Franklin Institute where he discussed the Big Bang, and another where Allis Chalmers demonstrated a working fuel cell.

This compares favorably to my dad’s generation when he was born human powered flight was only 7 years old. He witnessed atomic energy, going from airplanes made out of wood, wire and cloth to the Space Shuttle, radio and then television and then colored television. He personally knew the inventor of TV at RCA. He saw the introduction of antibiotics and the elimination of polio. He lived during the transition of cars being cranked by hand to the modern automobile. And the development and deployment of the digital computer.

Starting in the early 1800s, every 50 years progressed at a staggering rate. It’s hard to imagine what the next 50 is going to bring if we don’t destroy ourselves before it gets here.

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All in a throw-away item you can pick up for less than $100 (looking at you, all you non-believers in science).

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Wait so does that mean I can make a homemade laser gun XD

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Only if you’re MacGyver.

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Gun not so much, but lighter/etcher is possible. Might turn out to be the fate of the BD-RE drive that recently wrecked Ralph.

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Is there any chance that you could go on to explain what these quantum wells accomplish within the Blu-Ray system?

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I want to learn about quantum physics, so I started from Deepak Chopra.

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There is a (very low) probability this will work.

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Ouch.

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I’ve read the papers describing the evolution up to blue solid state lasers. It is incredible to think and design all this stuff, but it was ‘constructed’ gradually.

First as a way to see if it was possible to produce anything, than light, then control which wavelength of light you produce, than get to blue light on solid state devices.

On a different set of discoveries, people learned how to produce cavities from the quantum well devices, which is what you need to produce lasers, first with the semiconductors before GaN and finally with InGaN which is what you use for blue light.

But it is totally true that quantum ‘weirdness’ basically runs the world now a days. Everything from semi-conductors to chip manufacturing, LEDs, lasers, advanced chemistry, advanced materials only exists because of quantum mechanics.

Heck, even basic thermodynamics of gases implicitly assumes indistinguishability of the particles/atoms that constitutes the gas at an statistical level, which is a backdoor quantum particle hypothesis.

But for sure, solid state lasers, with blue and UV SSL are an amazing piece of tech that exploit a simple yet deeply quantum mechanical effect to operate, and does so explicitly. It is quite de beautiful and ingenious marriage of physics and engineering.

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That was, for this layman, an amazingly succinct explanation on a difficult-to-understand cluster of concepts that lie between science and spirituality.

There is an increasing awareness of the connection between quantum and consciousness.

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Technically speaking, quantum indeterminacy applies to a particle’s location and momentum (rather than energy) but good answer. Energy pairs with time (in that energy state).

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It’s a shame that by the time blue rays became popular streaming movies online was already well established

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“Me personally, I’ve always wanted to meet the guy who read a paper about the theoretical nature of quantum wells and said “Guys! Hey, you guys! I can make a laser out of that!””

Meet Charles Henry. He was that guy.
Charles H. Henry – Wikipedia

He didn’t read the paper on quantum wells, but wrote it. And he also had the insight that the electrons trapped within them would emit photons.

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Sorry, but you just lost me

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Or: ““Guys! Hey, you guys! I can use that for entertainment!”

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I think this might be the best answer on all of quora. Dead set, outlining a quantum well in so few words… Feynman would be proud.

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Yeah… that’s the problem, just how did we acquire this technogy in the first place(?)

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Great description. But probably that guy is extreme aspie and incapable of addressing a group of people!

Half joking…..

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Why is it needed for Blue Ray to work? Is that what makes blue ray blue ray?

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Well done, fascinating read with just enough information. I feel like I have decent knowledge about lasers, and did not know that about Blu-ray.

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Ok, I’ll read that again for the sixth time and try my luck at understanding it 😂

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Yes, I recall the excitement when the blue laser was created.

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Evanescent waves are another manifestation of quantum mechanics that seems like magic but is employed in practical devices.

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Technology is awesome, Former Electronics Engineer. Quantum is gonna be great but very expensive.

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Well, when you put it like that, I want to meet them as well.

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Wild. I never considered something using the weirdness of quantum physics in my house. Awesome read!

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And yet electrons are really really round.

Measurement Shows the Electron’s Stubborn Roundness.

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Hey, we’re going to do a particle in a finite potential well next in my Intro to Quantum Physics class! Nice to know that it has neat applications.

Most of the time, I’m just sitting there wondering, “tf just happened?!” 🥲

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I remember first hearing about lasers—wow ! Never dreamed exactly how wow it would get.

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very nice!

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Maybe I obey quantum mechanics- my mind dwells in multiple thoughts at the same time. Currently reading history while writing this..

I have no idea about what I am writing right now.

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But you know a lot about what you are writing more or less now.

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The ability to discern the composition of stars was considered utterly impossible due to their vast distances from us. Even after their distances and masses were found to be calculable, the chemical composition remained an unknowable. It just seemed like there was no way information that detailed could be ascertained from such a vast distance.

Then, out of nowhere, a chemist figured out that light itself carries detailed information of any gasses in between it and the observer. The spectroscopy of our Sun was then revealed and that soon lead to the analysis of much more distant stars.

Even today it remains amazing that we can know which stars are dying due to their burning of heavier elements and which stars are brand new due to their simplicity. The detailed analysis of stars helped us figure out where heavy elements came from and pushed us to find an explanation for the heavier elements that are not forged in stars.

This, in turn, revealed that exploding stars populate the universe with the really heavy elements which then lead to a better understanding of fission and fusion, spawning the nuclear age and the promise of cheap and relatively clean power production.

I consider this the prime example of the premise of your question because this abstract idea was so laughably impossible and yet was figured out, starting a chain reaction of subsequent discoveries that culminated in the nuclear age. To define a future era by a single past invention is tricky and rare.